Another Remembrance Sunday has come and gone and once more the media has had a field day castigating Celtic fans for the actions of some of them at Rugby Park. The Telegraph, a paper fined £30,000 for sending unsolicited emails to subscribers in 2015 urging them to vote Conservative said...
‘A Remembrance Sunday tribute ruined in nine seconds but it is a subsequent wall of silence from Celtic that most perturbs the rest of Scottish football. Green Brigade boos, offensive banners and pro-IRA chants were as grimly predictable as the three points that followed for the in-form Scottish Premiership champions on Sunday. Post-match frustrations vented by Kilmarnock manager Derek McInnes, however, betray a growing sense within the game that Celtic – and, in turn, its far-left ultra followers – are becoming unaccountable. “I don’t get any decisions,” McInnes said in response to the “awful” show of disrespect, before adding Celtic “even decided when the minute silence stops”. “I’m not a politician or anything, but it’s our ground, it’s our minute silence.’
Such opinions were published in a variety of newspapers and online leading to the usual pile on by those with no love for Celtic at any time. Some pointed out that the so called ‘pro-IRA’ chant was in fact a song about Aidan McAnespie, a young man killed by a British soldier during the Troubles, but it had little effect as the predictable hand wringing went on. The Telegraph's take on things seems to suggest that Celtic FC are somewhat scared to take the ‘far left’ ultras among the support on. Their article is headlined, ‘Celtic’s wall of silence over Remembrance Day shame rooted in fear of Green Brigade.’ Given the bans the ultra-group has endured in the past, I doubt this.
I also doubt we’ll hear the same hullabaloo about songs others sing about being up to their knees in the blood of their fellow citizens which was heard at the same stadium back in October. The outrage tends to be selective.
Remembrance in the United Kingdom has changed in the last couple of decades; once it was a time of somber reflection on the horrors of war and the need to see that it doesn’t happen again. These days it can be, on occasion, a jingoistic display of British nationalism and a crude test of loyalty. People actually phone TV stations to complain that a given presenter isn’t wearing a poppy, totally oblivious to the fact that the freedoms our war dead died to maintain include the freedom of dissent and of conscience.
The pressure to conform can be enormous on some as exemplified by the annual baiting of Irish footballer, James MacClean. To ask a nationalist man from Derry to stand and show respect for the British Army is to demonstrate a lack of understanding of the role of the army played in the conflict in Ireland and its murderous actions in MacClean’s home city. Yet, every year as predictable as the sun rising the abuse is doled out by those who demand respect for their views, yet simultaneously show none for the views of others.
MacClean has stated that he would wear a poppy if it was to commemorate those lost in both world wars but can’t in conscience wear one for those responsible for the murder of six young men from the Creggan, where he was brought up. The British Legion is clear that pressuring people into wearing a poppy goes against everything the poppy symbolises.
Celtic FC quietly donates £10,000 each year to the poppy appeal but the media aren’t interested in that when they can stir up controversy. I don’t need to list the Celtic players who were killed or injured in wars nor the family members we all have or had who likewise saw and endured terrible things during conflicts. Remembrance is appropriate as is taking to task the politicians who lead us into these conflicts in the first place. Remembrance is a hugely personal act and cannot be forced on people. The noise we hear at this time of year about poppies and respect is in fact part of the messy world of freedom of speech which we are told our veterans died for. It may be considered a poor show by some that others choose not to remain silent on Remembrance Day, but it is an equally a poor show that the government doesn’t adequately look after those self-same veterans they ‘honour’ each year.
It is also hugely inappropriate that far right groups have been attempting to co-opt the poppy as one of their symbols. One of the most ludicrous pictures to appear in the media in recent years was that of a man at a Remembrance ceremony sporting a poppy on his jacket and a swastika tattooed onto his neck. Such people are a small minority among those genuinely seeking to honour the fallen but the politicizing of remembrance is a concern to some. Remembering those lost in wars and working to end conflicts go hand in hand. Politicians can never use remembrance as a way to avoid criticism of their modern military adventures. Some ‘patriots’ may say, ’my country right or wrong.’ They should use the full quote; ‘my country, right or wrong. If right to be kept right. If wrong to be set right.’
It seems each year we are now destined to hear the discordant voices of outrage, real or faux, about this group or that not responding to the bugle call to conformity. We’ll also endure editorials from hypocritical newspapers who rant at length about disrespectful football supporters whilst remain uncritical or even silent as this country helps arm a military which is slaughtering civilians in Gaza on a biblical scale.
Typical green brigade self obsessed behaviour, do they honestly think that Sundays behaviour did anything to change the mind of Starmer and co, not a chance. Nah they're so far up their own arses they don't give a monkey's about other people's opinions.
ReplyDelete10's of thousands of Irish Soldiers died in world war 1 (read up on the 16th Irish Division for example), thousands more died in world war 2 even though Ireland was a neutral country, 5000 Irish soldiers deserted shortly after war was declared and now studies show that at least 50,000 Eire soldiers served in world war 2, some studies now reckon more Irish soldiers served than those from Northern Ireland.
What about the rights of the those Irish and Scottish Celtic fans who want to show respect for their family members who died or were maimed in these wars by holding the minutes silence, no they don't matter to the GB, they bang on about their rights to freedom of speech etc but don't give a dam about others just themselves. 65 years a Celtic fan, 3rd generation Irish born in Scotland and once again embarrassed by these clowns.
Agree entirely with your comments.
Delete5000 Irish soldiers deserted shortly after war was declared and joined the British army to fight against Hitler, it should have read.
ReplyDeleteWell said
ReplyDeleteYou want to remember your war dead
ReplyDeleteGo to a cenotaph not a football park, every village, town and city has one, The British army has murdered millions, forced a genocide in Ireland and the brass neck to rename it a famine while every day 40 ship loads of food was stolen under armed guard.
They murdered our leaders of 1916, they burned Cork city to the ground, more recently they gave us Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday as well as hundreds of more innocent people being murdered. It will never be the thing to do, to stand in silence and remember those who have committed such crimes, that's why I don't go to a cenotaph and never will, I will not be stopped going to the football by those who enjoy November because they love to be offended.
Sentiment echoed by many of us
DeleteI agree. I'm 74. Used to put up the half time scores at the hun end. I joined the Royal Highland Fusiliers just to get out of it all, two years in Singapore, blah blah blah.
DeleteI ended up in Fort Monagh Turf Lodge. Three months to do Feb 1974 general election we landed. My best memory is one of my platoon at the bus Station at Anderstown when every bus was blazing, opposite the RUC station. No details, I put my visor down... he didn't. Ayrshire orange man... I inwardly laughed as antagonise Catholic citizens in the area.
Sorry, I'm on a mobile phone. No matter, his mouth and teeth.... I witnessed him march sleeves rolled up KB tatooes. So.... Please don't think everyone in the Brit army were like that hun.
DeleteGaza ? Where does this come in regarding Remembrance and poppies except to remember that the Arabs sided with Hitler and deployed a Death Squad in Bosnia ?
ReplyDeleteIt comes in in the context of the press making a fuss about folk not respecting silence whilst not criticising Israel’s murderous actions nor the UK helping arm the IDF.
DeleteRather ironic that those who shout "Genocide" actively participated in the Holocaust. The flag of the mythic state at Celtic Park is the same one brandished on October 8th 2023 to celebrate the previous day's massacre. Would we allow Nazi flags ?
DeleteIf you know your history...you'll know who were and remain the fascists.
Behind the mask of 'anti-Israel' is a rooted antisemitism (other nations do not receive the same castigation). Maybe that's why the press as you say don't report issues that belong in a political arena on the sports' pages. However, I can assure you that they did and do report on Israel.
What we have at Celtic Park is a political faction trumpeting their own misguided aims. To hijack a solemn moment for this is shameful.
Were it not for the Jews in the British and other armies some of us wouldn't be here to have an opinion and the rest of us not allowed one.
How can the excuse be about the press saying fans were disrespecting the silence before it even happened ? That clearly wasn't the context.
DeleteA very good article however, even if we moved away from the jingoistic nonsense and only made the minutes silence about the dead of both world wars, I still don't think the minutes silence would be observed. We had idiots in the Bhoys Celtic last week that couldn't stay quiet to commemorate those that died in the Valencian floods!
ReplyDeleteI believe people have valid reasons for observing, and choosing not to, it is their right to do either. To be honest it is tiresome, and has become a bit of a pantomime, the media love it though.
ReplyDeleteYou would think the sight of the war criminal Blair, or the repulsive Johnson who was despatched to Ukraine to convince the Ukrainians to keep the war and the killing going back in 2022 when there was peace talks in the pipeline, you would think the sight of those wretches at the Cenotaph pretending they care would be more of an issue for people, apparently not.
The minutes silence in regards to football should be looked at, not because of this remembrance Sunday event, it just seems every event that happens has to be acknowledged at a game of football, why ? does every other place of work or whatever do it ? a lot of it just looks like pretentious nonsense to me.
Absolutely correct
ReplyDeleteBertie Auld was my hero. I passed the half time score numbers up at the hun end. (no mobiles)
ReplyDeleteBeen on a building site since I was 15.5I joined the RHF In '71 to get out of Glasgow and go Singapore.
Never wavered me twp years there.
Keep politics out of Celtic Park. The club used to be 'inclusive'.
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